Graves a.r.t trigger for sale

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Their timing is very interesting.

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I'd like to try it. My FRT's work pretty well.

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wish i could pay cash for one.

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I heard they will be available at stores Nationwide, meaning I'll be paying cash.

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I heard they will be available at stores Nationwide, meaning I'll be paying cash.

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Welcome fellow firearms enthusiast!

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Their timing is very interesting.

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Most definitely.

I would like to see side by side close up pictures

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I thought Wide Open Trigger is FRT-15.

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Interesting. I am looking forward to hearing the relationship or future suit in relation to RB

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LOOKS likes it’s manufactured out of MIM

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Interesting. I am looking forward to hearing the relationship or future suit in relation to RB

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In the AFT thread regarding Rare Breed, it was pointed out that the trigger isn't their original design. It's licensed to them.

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In the AFT thread regarding Rare Breed, it was pointed out that the trigger isn't their original design. It's licensed to them.

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Just saw this. That is interesting, and the guy has been working on it 50 years.

Why hasn't the AFT ever brought their issue to him? The only reason they don't like it is because so many were sold?

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Tag. This has sparked my interest

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I've talked to a lot of people involved in the WOT over the past few days.

I can tell you it Is not MIM.

The trigger is manufactured using forged metal legure made by a die cast. Each part in the trigger is later machined, and hardened. The trigger is not made by metal injection molding. The process used to make the trigger is the same used to make engine parts for cars, since it will tolerate high temperatures, friction, and will not rust.  This is truly a higher quality process than almost any other trigger is produced.

There is a reason other triggers like this fail, when a corner is cut,  it creates problems later.  The engineer took all the fails from the other companies and in their own design,  fixed the other companies design flaws and were able to get a patent pending.

Also manufacturers like RBT never say anything about a warranty,  but the WOT comes with a warranty that is As long as your riffle lasts (so lifetime).  They are standing behind the product the way a company should.

This thing is rock solid.

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I heard they will be available at stores Nationwide, meaning I'll be paying cash.

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I've talked to a lot of people involved in the WOT over the past few days.

I can tell you it Is not MIM.

The trigger is manufactured using forged metal legure made by a die cast. Each part in the trigger is later machined, and hardened. The trigger is not made by metal injection molding. The process used to make the trigger is the same used to make engine parts for cars, since it will tolerate high temperatures, friction, and will not rust.  This is truly a higher quality process than almost any other trigger is produced.

There is a reason other triggers like this fail, when a corner is cut,  it creates problems later.  The engineer took all the fails from the other companies and in their own design,  fixed the other companies design flaws and were able to get a patent pending.

Also manufacturers like RBT never say anything about a warranty,  but the WOT comes with a warranty that is As long as your riffle lasts (so lifetime).  They are standing behind the product the way a company should.

This thing is rock solid.

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New membership, two posts and both in the same thread for a new product with one claiming to be in the know.

I don't have to point out the shillmanship

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New membership, two posts and both in the same thread for a new product with one claiming to be in the know.

I don't have to point out the shillmanship

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Yeah it does sound like Shilling

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Feels a little SHILLY outside!

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New membership, two posts and both in the same thread for a new product with one claiming to be in the know.

I don't have to point out the shillmanship

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Hey if it helps, I run Lead & Steel, and we just got a shipment of these things in. Full disclosure, I do have a vested interest, but the damned thing works pretty well. Just wish it didn't come in stainless. Not gonna link my site and derail the thread, but at $300, it's a touch cheaper than the Rare Breed (and a degree of separation further from the FRT BS).

Still, we are in an ammo shortage, so it's not like the $100 difference is gonna make a dent in the expenditure that is magdumping nowadays.

I for one applaud BDU for hopping on the "common use" train. Good on them.

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Here is another one coming. I know nothing about it other than what is said in the videos.

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Not trying to hijack this thread. But I dont think this warrants a new thread

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Thanks.  Good find. Changed thread title.

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These things need a 2 position selector, one for force reset one for not.

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Hello fellow gun enthusiast, bigdaddyunlimited.

LOL!

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Nice.  Are you carrying just the WOT, or will you have the Alamo as well?

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Supposedly the price of the newest one (Alamo) price is gonna be near $1000? Apparently it’s costing him more to make than rare breed is selling for? That’s what I’m gathering from the YouTube comments

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Quoted:Supposedly the price of the newest one (Alamo) price is gonna be near $1000? Apparently it's costing him more to make than rare breed is selling for? That's what I'm gathering from the YouTube comments

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That's ridiculous.

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Their timing is very interesting.

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Everything about the whole Rare Breed / FRT trigger thing smells funny to me....

It's almost like a race to sell as much potential contraband as possible. George Dodson would be proud ..

The owners office:

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Heaven forbid anyone sell something that Might become illegal.

What a bunch of possible law breaking hooligans. I hope someone sues them

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Heaven forbid anyone sell something that Might become illegal.

What a bunch of possible law breaking hooligans. I hope someone sues them

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Heaven forbid anyone sell something that Might become illegal.

What a bunch of possible law breaking hooligans. I hope someone sues them

You're missing the point ...... Ever wonder why the 2 new FRT trigger "clones" that just hit the market didn't wait for the outcome of the ATF /Rare Breed case before they started taking peoples $$ with no returns?.....

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Supposedly the price of the newest one (Alamo) price is gonna be near $1000? Apparently it’s costing him more to make than rare breed is selling for? That’s what I’m gathering from the YouTube comments

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Where have you read that? I have not heard anything about the price.

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Where have you read that? I have not heard anything about the price.

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In the another post I’m replying to, there’s two videos that are linked. Click the second one and scroll down the comment section until  you see the comment made by “Good” with the car profile picture. Read the replies and the maker of said video comments that info. Don’t know how to link YouTube comments

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Why can't somebody make a forced reset trigger that uses the third position like a binary?
Give me one position that is single shot, one that is forced reset.

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In the another post I’m replying to, there’s two videos that are linked. Click the second one and scroll down the comment section until  you see the comment made by “Good” with the car profile picture. Read the replies and the maker of said video comments that info. Don’t know how to link YouTube comments

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thanks that is crazy. Also weird that the guy that made the video says in comments you don't have to modify anything trying to justify the price but in the video recommends rolling an edge on the bolt carrier. The rolling portion of the trigger makes a lot of sense, like my roller cam pin I run, but I don't see paying more than $300-$350 for one especially with small chance courts/ATF rules against rare breed. That would be a $1000 waste of money.

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Interesting timing on the WOT and ART releases. Immediately after the AFT cease and desist.

So were these heavily researched and waiting to come out after the letter? Did these companies see a $400 trigger selling like hotcakes and copy with small tweaks?

I assume three different designs will help with the AFT fight, unless it just brings more heat against them. I'm interested to watch the show. Are the companies selling these two new triggers going to do their part in the defense? Is every trigger bought from a company other than Rare Breed potentially taking money from the fight to keep your $400 trigger? I sold mine to a random guy at a gunshow that I forgot to get the name or number of but would love for the design and legal fight to come out in our favor.

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If there was a forced reset with a 3rd selector notch and a crisp 3 1/2ish pound single fire option I'd be all over it. The current options, with only forced reset dont interest me much. They do interest me, but not enough. The only way I see what's available being useful to me is if I built a cheap PSA and slapped that in there to waste ammo. I'm sure it would be fun as hell, but with ammo costs I'd rather have one that fits my above description and put it in an existing rifle. I'd still have everyday function with the option of going stupid now and then.

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I can't agree with you more. I fell in the love with the FRT-15 but waited because I thought a competitor would soon release a trigger with a 3-position selector and take over market. So I am a little disappointed to see two new triggers coming to market and neither have the option to run without the assisted reset.

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I'd pay more than the already fairly high price to have a 3rd position in a heartbeat, but I just can't justify buying the current offering. I'm sure if things go right in court and these become more mainstream one won't be far off, but until then I just can't see myself buying one. I came close, but it's just not there yet.

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... The process used to make the trigger is the same used to make engine parts for cars, since it will tolerate high temperatures, friction, and will not rust.  This is truly a higher quality process than almost any other trigger is produced.   ...

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In a world of cast and MIM hammer and triggers, the LaRue MBT is hardened S7 tool steel plate that’s EDM cut... is it tougher than that?

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I can't agree with you more. I fell in the love with the FRT-15 but waited because I thought a competitor would soon release a trigger with a 3-position selector and take over market. So I am a little disappointed to see two new triggers coming to market and neither have the option to run without the assisted reset.

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I think that's by design...

I would imagine the ATF would try to ban inertia... :)

That would be pretty neat but given that this is largely a novelty, I think having a dedicated lower with this trigger is the way forward.  I would never put anything like this in a serious use rifle.  Your mileage may vary.  Enjoy these things guys, they're freaking awesome.

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Why can't somebody make a forced reset trigger that uses the third position like a binary?
Give me one position that is single shot, one that is forced reset.

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Ah... you mean a TACCON 3MR that actually works.

That trigger did a forced reset.  But,one still had to get past  the disconnector.     The FRT uses a "locking  bar"  to manage the timing  instead.

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Thanks.  Good find. Changed thread title.

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You found way more than me. I watched the first video about 6 hours after it was uploaded and I couldnt find a single website that had any info about it. I guess they were drip feeding the details.

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Why can't somebody make a forced reset trigger that uses the third position like a binary?
Give me one position that is single shot, one that is forced reset.

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That would be great. There needs to be a way a new safety selector to perhaps rotate the locking bar out of the way. Looking at my FRT 15 trigger I don't see how it could be done. I'm sure someone could figure it out.

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That would be great. There needs to be a way a new safety selector to perhaps rotate the locking bar out of the way. Looking at my FRT 15 trigger I don't see how it could be done. I'm sure someone could figure it out.

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I found a way to do it, but it definitely would need to be tested & prototyped.

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It’s a trigger pack so you could always keep a spare trigger pack in the stock. Just need some easily swappable trigger pins.

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I like my rare breed.  I bought the WOT just for the hell of it.  Or did I?

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I found a way to do it, but it definitely would need to be tested & prototyped.

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Interesting. I'm looking forward to see what you come up with.

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Looks like fun, but the only way, given current circumstances, that I’d buy any of these triggers is cash transaction, and not at a fun show.

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Interesting. I'm looking forward to see what you come up with.

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I wish. Unfortunately I do not have the capital to R&D or mass produce.