04-14-2005 10:15 PM #1 Show  Awaiting Confirmation One Ring Best Turbo Upgrade for B6 A4 1.8t qtroBuddy of mine is looking into doing this.. whats the best turbo upgrade kit right now for the B6 a4.. maby not a kit if they dont make it.. but something that wouldnt be extremely hard to install and that didnt cause problems.. thanks 04-14-2005 10:39 PM #2 Veteran Member Four Rings MORGIE SETUP, He's selling his, and it is awesome. 04-14-2005 11:13 PM #3 Veteran Member Four Rings a turbo kit is only as good as the software that comes with it to run the kit. no good software = no good car
04-15-2005 12:24 AM #4 Veteran Member Four Rings MTM Stage 4, it costs $11,000, it must be the best 04-15-2005 02:33 AM #5 Senior Member Three Rings come on derek... you should know it better... you are a dealer of GIAC right?? not confident with your tuner? maybe you should join the dark side... =) 04-15-2005 03:55 AM #6 Established Member Four Rings Re: Best Turbo Upgrade for B6 A4 1.8t qtroOriginally posted by UrbanImporters whats the best turbo upgrade kit right now for the B6 a4.. maby not a kit if they dont make it.. but something that wouldnt be extremely hard to install and that didnt cause problems.. thanks LOL, don't you run your own shop? Didn't you just recently start offering GIAC chip tuning? As a matter of fact, i recall you coming out and saying, over on the other forum, just a couple weeks ago that GIAC was definately the best chip out there... and you dont have any clue about turbo upgrades? guess you should stick to your 20" rims and blacked out rings... sorry, its early and im cranky 04-15-2005 04:30 AM #7 Awaiting Confirmation One Ring Its not that, its just that i want a feel for the market, i mean i know apr has a nice kit, so i cant turn it down.. i dont wanna settle on this one.. i like the APT kit.. which we will prolly do.. but just wanted to see what you guys thought.. yes im a GIAC dealer, do they have a bt software.. not alot as of now, and there is no real big turbo kit for them yet, AWE is making one ive heard but its going to be awile i guess.. anyway.. 04-15-2005 05:05 AM #8 Veteran Member Four Rings The ATP hardware sucks balls compared to the APR (trust me, I know, I own it!) Unless you have David Sarabi @ Eurocode do your installation and flash your car...(I did my own install, it came out very nice...David flashed my car) You will NEVER make any power with the ATP kit. (ask Jgoot on AW) GIAC cannot tune a B6 Audi for a big turbo, they had Morgies car for 6 months and came up empty. Garrett threw in the towel. Last edited by F16HTON; 04-15-2005 at 05:10 AM. 04-15-2005 10:06 AM #9 Veteran Member Four Rings Originally posted by UrbanImporters anyway.. when i last called AWE, i heard its almost done. why don't you call them since you're a GIAC dealer? what they told me was that the kit is essentially done, they are just producing enough to sell it on the market.
04-15-2005 10:08 AM #10 Veteran Member Four Rings Originally posted by 400HPA4 i'm more of a spectator when it comes to tuning, cuz i'm still learning, but i do always notice you taking cheap shots at GIAC, or that is how it comes off to me at least. I may be wrong. But if you are taking cheap shots at them, why? I'm not trying to attack you or anything, but that is just how i see it and i am just curious to know. That is all.
04-15-2005 10:24 AM #11 Veteran Member Four Rings Originally posted by imfillinit It is not a cheap shot, just a fact. They could not tune Silences car, Morgies car, the PES kit, the AWE kit. Tell me one of the four B6 turbo upgrade project they have tuned that run correct? There you go! It has nothing to do with REV O or anything else. Last edited by F16HTON; 04-15-2005 at 10:26 AM. 04-15-2005 10:26 AM #12 Veteran Member Four Rings Originally posted by 400HPA4 There you go! It has nothing to do with REV O or anything else.i dunno the details on that stuff, so i can't comment much on it. but i just don't see the point of attacking another company, or another person if they haven't done anything to you. just my opinion that is all.
04-15-2005 10:32 AM #13 Veteran Member Four Rings i dunno about the PES kit, morgies car, silences car, but as far as i know...that AWE kit is almost done and it seems like its running pretty good to me. ok im out. just curous to see where u were comthin from a while ago. didn't want to turn this into one big long page like other posts
04-15-2005 10:33 AM #14 Veteran Member Four Rings Originally posted by imfillinit Just curious, how'd you know my car was a Garrett's? 04-15-2005 10:38 AM #15 Veteran Member Four Rings Originally posted by Silence what do u mean? the turbo you're running? dunno what exactly you have bro. i'm just going by what 400HPA4 said. i essentially copied and pasted what he said, and i never commented on your car individually, i just said "the PES kit, morgies car, silences car, the awe kit..."
04-15-2005 10:42 AM #16 Veteran Member Four Rings but i do now have a better GENERAL idea of what you have...the search works. there is your answer.
04-15-2005 10:45 AM #17 Veteran Member Four Rings Originally posted by imfillinit Nevermind, I didn't see that Greg edited his post 04-15-2005 10:49 AM #18 Veteran Member Four Rings Unfortuantely for AWE thier kit is obsolete before it was even introduced. ATP is now casting all of the popular turbo's exhaust housings for bolt on applications. This will make installs much less expensive and easier. If you want, PM me and I will tell you all of the barriers that the software writers are facing with these big turbo kits...and why they are having such a difficult time. 04-15-2005 11:24 AM #19 Veteran Member Four Rings Originally posted by Silence LOL coo np
04-15-2005 11:41 AM #20 Veteran Member Four Rings Why waste your money on Bt when theres guys here making 162WHP that equate to 245CHP with just Dahlback software and Injectors. Thank God DB doesnt do any Garrett turbos cuz all these US tuners would be out of business.
04-15-2005 12:28 PM #21 Veteran Member Four Rings Cmon Dejan...cut him some slack, it is just different horesepower than you and I are making. Eventually he will use a Mustang or Dynojet dyno, nevertheless 04-15-2005 04:51 PM #22 Veteran Member Four Rings Originally posted by 400HPA4 Perhaps Garrett stopped even "bothering" with Morgie's car? Why waste your time on a kit made when the manufacture (SGT) is going out of business? And trust me Greg, there's more to it than just the software aspect, that I dont think even the best REVO program will fix. This was the MAIN reason I never liked what SGT did. They originally built Morgie's kit to want to make GIAC look good, but rather, it came back and bit them in the ass. Morgie's car was once "praised", now it is just the laughing stock of all BT's, especially GIAC as well. Well... by them going out of business really tells you alot. 04-15-2005 05:09 PM #23 Veteran Member Four Rings In hardware point of view, the KO4 must be the easiest turbo upgrade. And Revo software rocks with that.
04-15-2005 05:14 PM #24 Veteran Member Four Rings Originally posted by Jeff This was the MAIN reason I never liked what SGT did. They originally built Morgie's kit to want to make GIAC look good, but rather, it came back and bit them in the ass. Morgie's car was once "praised", now it is just the laughing stock of all BT's, especially GIAC as well. Well... by them going out of business really tells you alot. Actually the hardware looked better than ATP's. I don't think it was the hardware Jeff, and why bring down SGT? To shift the blame away from Garrett? They couldn't tune it, it happens. Didn't SGT/GIAC use the same kit on the GTI and made gobs of power? Morgie is a class act, he showed restraint and stuck with GIAC, gave Garrett a chance until there was nothing else he could do. His gas bill for the 100 octane fill ups everyday is thousands and thousands of dollars. That's not hardware IMO that's the tuning. SGT going out of business has nothing to do with Morgie's kit as I feel Tim did a very nice job. 04-15-2005 05:50 PM #25 Veteran Member Four Rings I love my Ko4 kit.. Im running a beta Giac file, and the car feels really good..
04-15-2005 05:51 PM #26 Veteran Member Four Rings Originally posted by Saturnine What kinda power are you putting down?
04-15-2005 06:08 PM #27 Veteran Member Four Rings Originally posted by Saturnine What did you have before the Beta GIAC? Neuspeed? The car must feel good!
04-15-2005 06:17 PM #28 Veteran Member Four Rings Originally posted by Saturnine John, I'm not hating on Garrett BTW, just pointing out what I believe to be the facts about the big turbo files for the A4. I had the T28 on my car and the tuning was pretty bad. However, I thought initially that my car was super fast, making over 300 HP and boosting 1.4 bar that is until I vagged it and had it dynoed. 190 WHP was the most I got out of it and only .8 bar of boost, the ECU was pulling 12 degrees of timing, the most it can pull back. PES told me that I could not boost more than 1.3 without the TP shutting, so I'm basing it on my own experiences. I thought the K04 file didn't quite perform up to par on the dyno? Did they give you a new file? Glad to hear the car is running good Brotha. I'm telling you it's that uber DV that I sold you. 04-15-2005 06:20 PM #29 Senior Member Three Rings Originally posted by Jeff This was the MAIN reason I never liked what SGT did. They originally built Morgie's kit to want to make GIAC look good, but rather, it came back and bit them in the ass. Morgie's car was once "praised", now it is just the laughing stock of all BT's, especially GIAC as well. Well... by them going out of business really tells you alot. Seriously Jeff, I honestly think you have some sort of split-personality disorder. The person you are in person and the person you are online are 2 different people. You really do need to get your facts straight before talking about someone else and their business. If you knew what you were talking about, you would know that Garrett didnt stop "bothering" with my car... Garrett wasnt even aware of the fact that Tim was thinking about closing up shop... But in all honesty it really is no one elses business, why things went they way did. It's true, Tim is in the process of possibly closing his shop and if you trully understood the business world, like you say you do, then you would understand how hard it is to start something from scratch and sustain it. And what business is it of yours anways? The vendeta that you have against Tim is unwarranted... Has he done anything to you? Honestly, what is the point of kicking a guy while he is down.. its tactless and really makes you look bad in the end. The fact that you wish the worst upon people just bewilders me. I like you Jeff, I really do.. You have helped out alot of people here, but sometimes the things you say, come out of no where and have the worst intentions behind them. For someone who doesnt like "Drama", it sure seems like you like to surround yourself with it. And as far as the "laughing stock" comment... I dont find anything funny about a guy going out of business and not being able to make a living. Tims a good guy...Have a heart. 04-15-2005 06:38 PM #30 Veteran Member Four Rings Yea, its a work in progress.. But what isnt? And really, it has nothing to do with Giac etc, its just that i live in SB and goto school full time so getting down to LA is rather hard.. Im very confident in the abilities of Giac to make an awesome Ko4 file for the B6, and i cant wait till they squeeze more power from my car.. Its just going to be a matter of time, and im in no real hurry. The Beta giac file is alot more agressive than the NS setup i had was, but i was running smaller injectors then.. I really wish i had tried the NS file for the larger injectors before i went with Giac, that way i could have a better feel for the differences between the two setups.. The car feels good thou, and i havent had any problems whatsoever.. Originally posted by DLSJ5 I'm not hating on Garrett BTW, just pointing out what I believe to be the facts about the big turbo files for the A4. I had the T28 on my car and the tuning was pretty bad. However, I thought initially that my car was super fast, making over 300 HP and boosting 1.4 bar that is until I vagged it and had it dynoed. 190 WHP was the most I got out of it and only .8 bar of boost, the ECU was pulling 12 degrees of timing, the most it can pull back. PES told me that I could not boost more than 1.3 without the TP shutting, so I'm basing it on my own experiences. I thought the K04 file didn't quite perform up to par on the dyno? Did they give you a new file? Glad to hear the car is running good Brotha. I'm telling you it's that uber DV that I sold you.
04-15-2005 06:52 PM #31 Veteran Member Three Rings Re: Best Turbo Upgrade for B6 A4 1.8t qtroOriginally posted by
UrbanImporters whats the best turbo upgrade kit right now for the B6 a4.. maby not a kit if they dont make it.. but something that wouldnt be extremely hard to install and that didnt cause problems.. thanks Hi Derek, I helped install one of the firts of the AWE GT28r kits on Jeff Lee's car a few months back. And have been a part of the checking and updating circle for the kit with AWE and GIAC. The 91 octane file that was put in a few days ago is really good and from what I understand the kit should be released in the next 2 weeks (insert bad joke here*). Give them a call and get scoop. Jeff 04-15-2005 07:00 PM #32 Veteran Member Three Rings Originally posted by 400HPA4 Greg, There are many reasons why Morgies kit was not finished and none of them have to do with Garrett inability to write software for the car. The development of a kit usually goes back and forth a few time to get hardware to a point where all the sensors, solenoids and hardware match up. This is a hard to accomplish job, and even harder for a first endeavor with a complex car like a B6 A4. I have been involved with the development of many interesting projects involving GIAC and they have the know how to make this work in a factory like manner. Let's not bicker. I like cars. You like cars. You like Revo. I like GIAC. Have a good one. Jeff 04-15-2005 08:00 PM #33 Veteran Member Four Rings Originally posted by DLSJ5 Morgie is a class act, he showed restraint and stuck with GIAC, gave Garrett a chance until there was nothing else he could do. His gas bill for the 100 octane fill ups everyday is thousands and thousands of dollars. That's not hardware IMO that's the tuning. SGT going out of business has nothing to do with Morgie's kit as I feel Tim did a very nice job. If it's not the hardware, the WHAT THE F*CK is it Drew?... Oh yea... "blame Garrett!" right? So what if something "looks better than ATP"??? "looks" and "functionality" have NOTHING to do with how it runs. I see cars at shows with turbo kits that look 100x better than your APR, chromed, polished, you name it... does it make it better??? As far as I'm concerned, the wastegate could have been busted... the spring inside the wastegate could have been shot due to poor choices being made in hardware selection. But WTF... "Blame Garrett" right? SGT going out of business has EVERYTHING to do with Garrett dropping the project. There is NO MONEY to be made. Business is business. Why tune a kit that wont even sell and waste your time trying to make it work? Like people say...REVO could have done a better job at it anyways (disabling the MAF and N75 alone would have fixed his boost overshoots and throttle closing issue). 04-15-2005 08:16 PM #34 Veteran Member Four Rings Originally posted by DLSJ5 I'm not hating on Garrett BTW, just pointing out what I believe to be the facts about the big turbo files for the A4. I had the T28 on my car and the tuning was pretty bad. However, I thought initially that my car was super fast, making over 300 HP and boosting 1.4 bar that is until I vagged it and had it dynoed. 190 WHP was the most I got out of it and only .8 bar of boost, the ECU was pulling 12 degrees of timing, the most it can pull back. PES told me that I could not boost more than 1.3 without the TP shutting, so I'm basing it on my own experiences. I thought the K04 file didn't quite perform up to par on the dyno? Did they give you a new file? Glad to hear the car is running good Brotha. I'm telling you it's that uber DV that I sold you. You're "not hating on Garrett", yet you still bring up the past "problems" which thought you resolved and over. I don't recall Garrett ever bringing up the story about APR's very own car blowing up on his dyno... yet you have so much to say to put Garrett down... just puzzles me :) 04-15-2005 08:31 PM #35 Veteran Member Four Rings Originally posted by morgiea4 Seriously Jeff, I honestly think you have some sort of split-personality disorder. The person you are in person and the person you are online are 2 different people. I dont think I ever talked to you for more than 5min when I met you. And trust me, I'm not much of a better person in person.
And what business is it of yours anways? The vendeta that you have against Tim is unwarranted... Has he done anything to you? Honestly, what is the point of kicking a guy while he is down.. its tactless and really makes you look bad in the end. Honestly, where your car makes 1000hp, or 100hp, I wouldn't give half a shit. Whether Tim makes millions, or goes out of business, or even drops dead and dies, I could care less about either. You and Tim don't really concern me, but like I said before, Tim's poor choice in making your kit (originally to try to PROVE something) is just making Garrett look even worse in the B6 market, and Garrett's whom I stand behind. Garrett has already had some negative feedback from the PES POS kit, now comes another "low blow" from SGT and you. Tim is a good guy, but he has NO sense of business whatsoever...and it is NOT Garrett and others' job to "babysit" and "hold his hand" to make HIS kit work.
I like you Jeff, I really do.. You have helped out alot of people here, but sometimes the things you say, come out of no where and have the worst intentions behind them. For someone who doesnt like "Drama", it sure seems like you like to surround yourself with it. I never liked the sound of your turbo since day ONE. Me and you actually got at it, when I told you your turbo is going to be a "failure". As harsh as this may sound, but "I told ya so". Here's the original post: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...threadid=21386I'm not the one instigating the drama here... I'm just sick of hearing people "blaming Garrett" for their OWN negligence... cuz I've personally never had a problem with my software whatsoever. So who do you blame when someone walks with a gimp? The inexperienced surgeon that originally put in the prosthetic leg incorrectly?... or the therapist that had to work with only what he's got?
And as far as the "laughing stock" comment... I dont find anything funny about a guy going out of business and not being able to make a living. Tims a good guy...Have a heart. Though I feel for Tim and his business, I did not imply him as the laughing stock...rather, your "overhyped turbo kit that never worked". You came on this forum, announcing news to the world about your "all mighty GT30R", you wanted to be the "center of attention", which you did... and now it's just a big failure. I like you too Morgie, but you "overdid it" IMO. It would have been different if you kept your whole project "hush hush" until it was completed, but like you said... you liked the attention.Last edited by Jeff; 04-15-2005 at 08:36 PM. 04-15-2005 08:42 PM #36 Veteran Member Four Rings Originally posted by Jeff I'm not on trial here. I have stated nothing but the facts about my car, that is the difference and it's completely relevant here, it has nothing to do with you or your car. It had nothing to do with the looks of the hardware just the setup and like I said, Morgie's kit is almost identical to the GTI kit that made gobs of power on the VW's, so how can you blame the hardware? How was Tim at fault here? So you know more about Morgie's car then he does? It's the actuator, the intake? What else? Everything but the programming I guess. APR blew up THEIR modded out A3 on the dyno, not a customer's car, how is that relevant to any of this talk about big turbo's and software? I have so much to say to put Garrett down? In any of my comments did I bash Garrett? I respect Garrett, we have no issues, what he does it not easy, I simply stated the facts about my PES kit, which you in fact have concured with. Funny I've actually had Garrett products on my car, yet you've put another tuner down bigtime, as well as E05 kits, blown motors etc. Now it's Tim at SGT and Morgie? Who's next? 04-15-2005 08:51 PM #37 Veteran Member Four Rings Originally posted by DLSJ5 You've had GIAC products which you never had a problems with, yet you jump on on the "GIAC-bashing" by agreeing about the 14:1 A/F... I thought you and Moss talked that over...yet you still bring it up time after time. I'm not putting down a tuner... it's just f*cked up that another tuner has to "f*ck up" (like PES one did with you and others) at the expense of GIAC. 04-15-2005 08:57 PM #38 Veteran Member Four Rings jeff, you seemed to have confidence that giac would be able to tune it... mike 2pt 2 "That's good to hear actually, dont need to apologize to me Mike. :)" jeff "As long as the guy aint running "ErrorCode" tuning, he should be in good shape in this case." 04-15-2005 08:59 PM #39 Veteran Member Four Rings Jeff, have you received any free or discounted products from GIAC or J. Moss. if you have your opinions and statements can't be taken as 100% truth bc you have some reasoning to make more than truthful statements. 04-15-2005 09:00 PM #40 Veteran Member Four Rings Originally posted by Jeff I'm not putting down a tuner... it's just f*cked up that another tuner has to "f*ck up" (like PES one did with you and others) at the expense of GIAC. Never had problems? WTF are you talking about? You know I had issues with the PES file and a 14:1 redline run on the S file. I bring it up when it's relevant to the conversation or topic. Did my motor blow, do I have any dicernable engine problems, etc no, but if I had ran that PES kit with an MBC which PES was going to send me, then who knows. My problem is not with PES, Moss or GIAC anymore, but rather your unwarranted criticism of Tim and Morgie. Also this has nothing to do with you, but rather experiences that I've had with the car, the forums are here just from those reasons. Another thing I don't talk about other people's cars, etc, unless they allow me to do so. 'nuff said, don't you think? Get back to the question, what is the best turbo upgrade? Ironic how it's no longer "two weeks" when it comes to APR. Last edited by DLSJ5; 04-15-2005 at 09:08 PM. How much horsepower does an Audi A4 1.8 Turbo have?Used 2004 Audi A4 1.8T quattro Sedan Specs & Features. How can I make my Audi A4 faster?Get the most out of your tuned or big-turbo Audi A4 by installing the IE FDS intercooler system. If you're looking to increase performance look no further than an upgraded air intake. Not only does a specially made air intake increase throttle response, but it adds horsepower, torque, and a more aggressive sound.
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